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PostPostano: pet, ruj 26.09.2014 • 12:15 pm 
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Za narednu godinu se prvo bira kakav sistem se zeli koristiti; onda ce se uzimati feedback kakav komp; te na temelju svega toga ce se izradjivati army komp.

Prvo, glasanje za vrstu komiteta; da li kao i prosle godine x ljudi i to je to; ili opet komitet no uz dodatni army komp paralelno radjen od bilo koga; na kraju se glasa izmedju kompa od komiteta i ovih pojedinih. Ideja je dobiti sto bolji komp.

Ovo je inicijativa za taj drugi prijedlog. Glasajte da li ste za ili protiv.
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Greetings Captains!

Without quoting all relevant discussions (there has been more than a few) on how the proposals for vote to ETC comp should formalized, I am seeking a minimum of 10 Captains support so there can be a proper Captains vote on how the Captains would like this issue solved.

I am not going to use this thread to debate all the finer points of the alternatives to having one comiteè decide whats legible proposals and whats not - only point out that I think there should be possibilities for a more community driven process and that allowing (for instance) non-comitèe community initiatives backed by (for instance) 2 captains to be voted for side by side of what AR produces - could be a way to make sure we dont get a poor vote due to a there-is-no-alternative situation.

So, if you are a Captain and support a vote to explore alternatives - sign this thread!

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Moje misljenje:
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Sorry, I'm against it.
The idea of the AR.com is so that others don't have to nit pick all the comp details; captains vote on people to represent them and then let them do their job.

I don't like the community.com idea; I really dislike how the UK and Polish play their game and their idea of 'fair'; and wouldn't like to see them push more of their ideas into the comp besides their influence in the AR.com (don't get me wrong, from the first democratically elected AR.com in 2012, one which I was part of, up to 2013 there has always been one Uk and one Polish guy in it; only in 2014 AR.com there were no Polish representatives; but their influence was always strongly present).


Dodatni razlog za taj prijedlog:
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Fair enough that you prefer the AR.com solution. As long as we are clear on that what is proposed is community proposals with 2 captains for backing being allowed to be voted for on the same level as what AR.com has delivered.

This atleast forces even the polish to communicate with other teams, and promote their own pack, instead of attacking the AR with poor statistics and trying to manipulate their process (as was very succesfully performed for 2014).

Consider it. Thx.


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PostPostano: pet, ruj 26.09.2014 • 12:51 pm 
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PostPostano: pet, ruj 26.09.2014 • 11:17 pm 
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Također kako je do sad bilo...

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PostPostano: sub, ruj 27.09.2014 • 2:14 am 
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Pridružen/a: pet, tra 15.04.2011 • 9:23 pm
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Ista stvar, kako je do sad

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PostPostano: sri, lis 01.10.2014 • 9:05 am 
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Pridružen/a: ned, vel 27.02.2005 • 10:13 pm
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Ok, budem tako glasao kada ce za to doci vrijeme.

Novo glasanje za komitet. Postojati ce Ar.com, neovisno o tome da li ce paralelno postojati i dr komiteti.
Chairmeni su odlucili da ce Ar.com biti sacinjen od 3 osobe. I dali su svoj prijedlog te treba glasati da/ne za to.

Pa evo, popis svih kandidata za Ar.com 2015. http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=125736
Oni predlazu sljedece osobe;
- Maciej "el peludo" Przygórzewski
- Keith "kbonn" Bonneau
- Bryan "ubertechie" Carmichael


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PostPostano: sri, lis 01.10.2014 • 9:05 am 
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Ja glasam ne.


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PostPostano: sri, lis 01.10.2014 • 10:27 am 
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Pridružen/a: pet, tra 15.04.2011 • 9:23 pm
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Posto nemam pojma nista o ovoj trojici vjerujem vise tebi pa glasam isto ne :)

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PostPostano: sri, lis 01.10.2014 • 10:32 am 
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Pridružen/a: čet, lip 05.06.2003 • 4:32 pm
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1 i 3 mi se ne sviđaju glasam ne.

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PostPostano: čet, lis 02.10.2014 • 11:00 am 
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Pridružen/a: pon, svi 26.05.2003 • 7:42 pm
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Isto ko i kex, podržavam kako ti glasaš...

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PostPostano: pet, lis 03.10.2014 • 7:50 am 
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Glasam ne u ime Cro svezi prijedloga Stolica o troclanoj AR komisiji. Ako prijedlog ne prodje, biti ce nove runde glasanja; prvo o broju clanova komiteta onda i o samim zastupnicima; glasati ce se za broj ljudi koliko ima mjesta u komitetu od ovih 8 koj isu se prijavili.


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PostPostano: pet, lis 03.10.2014 • 1:33 pm 
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Jel se to meni samo čini ili se Furion malo oteo kontroli.

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PostPostano: pet, lis 03.10.2014 • 1:52 pm 
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Ne ciniti se, stvarno se oteo kontroli. Ne znam da li ce se sada smiriti ili ce nastaviti ovako.


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PostPostano: pet, lis 03.10.2014 • 4:35 pm 
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Da nejdem sad trazit, o cemu pricate, sto je napravio?

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PostPostano: pet, lis 03.10.2014 • 6:35 pm 
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Lol na sve ovo.

Furion se oteo kontroli. Pa furion je.

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PostPostano: sri, lis 08.10.2014 • 5:34 pm 
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st1v xtr1m je napisao/la:
Da nejdem sad trazit, o cemu pricate, sto je napravio?


Furion je ove godine chairmen. Bilo je ukupno 6 prijava za taj psao, svi koji su se prijavili su in. 3 su chairmena za fantasy.
Onda je obznanio Ar.com, komisiju od 3 igraca koja bi trebala napraviti komp pack. On ih je izabrao i rekao da on najbolje zna tko to treba raditi; te da ako nece biti po njegovom da ce raspustiti komisiju za komp. (manje-vise tim rijecima)


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PostPostano: pet, lis 10.10.2014 • 2:30 pm 
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Pridružen/a: čet, stu 19.11.2009 • 11:07 pm
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st1v xtr1m je napisao/la:
Da nejdem sad trazit, o cemu pricate, sto je napravio?


Furion je ove godine chairmen. Bilo je ukupno 6 prijava za taj psao, svi koji su se prijavili su in. 3 su chairmena za fantasy.
Onda je obznanio Ar.com, komisiju od 3 igraca koja bi trebala napraviti komp pack. On ih je izabrao i rekao da on najbolje zna tko to treba raditi; te da ako nece biti po njegovom da ce raspustiti komisiju za komp. (manje-vise tim rijecima)


Lik je car, tako se to radi.

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PostPostano: pet, lis 10.10.2014 • 5:09 pm 
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Pridružen/a: pon, svi 26.05.2003 • 7:42 pm
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Lik nije car lik ima problema s egom, popriličnih...

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PostPostano: sub, lis 11.10.2014 • 8:55 am 
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Pridružen/a: ned, vel 27.02.2005 • 10:13 pm
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Furin je, kao osoba, idiot. Nista vise, nista manje.

No koga briga za njega, idemo dalje sa glasanjem.
Postavljen je novi vote. Ovaj je dosta opsezan i kompliciran. No isplati se potruiti i prouciti ga. Iz njega ce sigurno proizaci dobri rezultati; ako ekipa ne odustane cim vidi da mora potrositi 5+ min na njega. :-)


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PostPostano: sub, lis 11.10.2014 • 10:03 am 
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Pridružen/a: pon, svi 26.05.2003 • 7:42 pm
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Slušam, kako naš kapetan diše po pitanju predloženih opcija i zašto? ;)

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PostPostano: pet, lis 17.10.2014 • 8:18 am 
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http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=126042&view=unread#unread

Moj glas:
Q1: No
Q2: run alongside
Q3: 3
Q4: Vedran>Hristo>Keith>Rok>Maciej>Sergii>Ian>Bryan
Q5: 5


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PostPostano: pet, lis 17.10.2014 • 4:23 pm 
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Pridružen/a: čet, lip 05.06.2003 • 4:32 pm
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Podržavam tvoj izbor.

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PostPostano: pon, lis 20.10.2014 • 1:20 pm 
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Pridružen/a: ned, vel 27.02.2005 • 10:13 pm
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Ok, šaljem naš glas.


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PostPostano: pon, lis 20.10.2014 • 6:38 pm 
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Pridružen/a: pon, svi 26.05.2003 • 7:42 pm
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Aha, ja mislio da si ga već bio poslao... :g:

U svakom slučaju, podržavam! 8-)

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PostPostano: uto, lis 21.10.2014 • 10:42 am 
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Pridružen/a: pon, svi 26.05.2003 • 7:42 pm
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Glasovanje gotovo:

Dear all,

The vote has been counted. Short version:
There will be no other AR committess other than official one
AR.com2015 will have 3 members
The winners are:
Maciej "el peludo" Przygórzewski
Bryan "ubertechie" Carmichael
Keith "kbonn" Bonneau

Long Version:
vote counting spreadsheet is linked HERE

Q1: Do you agree to the notion that people from outside an Officially Elected Army Restrictions Committee should be able to provide a full Army Restrictions pack proposal for the ETC WHF community to evaluate, as per the Captains petition linked above?
VOTE OUTCOME: NO
13 vs 11

Q2: If Q1 is passed, should this new option be run alongside an officially elected AR committee, similar to that of the past years, or should we abandon the idea of having Official AR committee?
VOTE OUTCOME: not applicable, but it would be RUN ALONGSIDE.
20 vs 3

Q3: If Q1 is passed, should a number of captains back up each AR pack proposal? How many?
VOTE OUTCOME: not applicable, but it would be 5.

Q4: For Officially Elected Army Restrictions Committee, who are your preferred candidates?
VOTE OUTCOME: The winners are: Maciej "el peludo" Przygórzewski, Bryan "ubertechie" Carmichael and Keith "kbonn" Bonneau.

Q5: For 2015, what is your preferred size of AR team? 3 or 5 people?
VOTE OUTCOME: 3.
17 vs 6

Breakdown of voting algorithm is as follows:
Comparisons of strongest beatpaths for each pair of candidates:

Bryan>Hristo 16 8 Hristo>Bryan
Bryan>Ian 20 8 Ian>Hristo>Bryan
Bryan>Keith 16 8 Keith>Bryan
Bryan>Maciej 8 16 Maciej>Bryan
Bryan>Rok 21 8 Rok>Ian>Hristo>Bryan
Bryan>Sergii 21 8 Sergii>Ian>Hristo>Bryan
Bryan>Vedran 18 8 Vedran>Hristo>Bryan
Hristo>Ian 16 9 Ian>Rok>Keith>Hristo
Hristo>Keith 10 14 Keith>Hristo
Hristo>Bryan>Maciej 8 18 Maciej>Hristo
Hristo>Rok 19 9 Rok>Keith>Hristo
Hristo>Sergii 20 9 Sergii>Rok>Keith>Hristo
Hristo>Vedran 14 10 Vedran>Hristo
Ian>Rok>Keith 9 17 Keith>Ian
Ian>Hristo>Bryan>Maciej 8 19 Maciej>Ian
Ian>Sergii>Rok 10 15 Rok>Ian
Ian>Sergii 11 13 Sergii>Ian
Ian>Rok>Keith>Vedran 9 16 Vedran>Ian
Keith>Maciej 8 16 Maciej>Keith
Keith>Vedran>Rok 16 9 Rok>Keith
Keith>Sergii 17 9 Sergii>Rok>Keith
Keith>Vedran 16 10 Vedran>Hristo>Keith
Maciej>Rok 19 8 Rok>Ian>Hristo>Bryan>Maciej
Maciej>Sergii 22 8 Sergii>Ian>Hristo>Bryan>Maciej
Maciej>Vedran 18 8 Vedran>Hristo>Bryan>Maciej
Rok>Sergii 14 10 Sergii>Rok
Rok>Keith>Vedran 9 17 Vedran>Rok
Sergii>Rok>Keith>Vedran 9 20 Vedran>Sergii

The result is the same as any standard Condorcet system would give. So if we have used another Condorcet method instead of Schulze, the result would be the same. The Condorcet methods mainly differ in tie-breakings.

This is the ranking:
Maciej
Bryan
Keith
Hristo
Vedran
Rok
Sergii
Ian

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